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Old Feb. 7, 2005, 08:41 PM   #21
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disculpen la preunta pero alguien conoce el correo de Magalink me lo pueden pasar porfavor

excuse the cuestion but someone knows the mail of Magalink they can pass it me please
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I think you are confused. But I know I am.
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Old Feb. 20, 2005, 08:32 PM   #25
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well, i dont think loz: 2oo5 is in oot's timeline. ive seen pics of his horse, and it doesnt look like epona.
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Yes it does...Epona was bad graphiced before. Now shes...updated XD
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Sorry for the double but... (First part short...2nd..LONG AS FUCKIN HELL!)



LoZ = Legend of Zelda
AoL = Adventure of Link
LttP = A Link to the Past
LA = Link's Awakening
OoT = Ocarina of Time
MM = Majora's Mask
OoA/S = Oracle of Ages/Seasons
WW = Wind Waker

Basic Outline:
0: Creation. (guessing that nothing much happened except the construction of the many temples and palaces in honor of the Goddesses)

115: Imprisoning War - Light Temple was created after Ganondorf Dragmire (known as that in the LttP manual) was killed by a hero, knights of Hylia, and Wise Men (Sages). The Triforce pieces of Power and Wisdom were placed there.

145: Adventure of Link back-story takes place. The Prince becomes a wise King, the Great Palace housed the past King's Triforce of Courage, the recombining of the Triforce took place in this era to fulfill what happened in Ocarina of Time.

440: Link and Zelda are born.

450: OoT - OoT future takes place.

457: Wind Waker future begins, but Link defeats Ganondorf and goes back in time, this erases the future and the events of Wind Waker.

450: OoT - present continues - Link has Triforce of Courage sealed in Great Palace for safekeeping. Ganondorf is sealed in the present void.

450: MM

455: OoA/S Zelda is captured and brainwashed by witches, rescued by Link, Ganon is released, defeated but escapes, Ganon kidnaps Zelda and goes to Hyrule. Link follows.

455: LoZ takes place - Ganon is killed.

456: AoL Sages awaken (earlier than in OoT since there is no evil force keeping them from hearing the call).

457: LttP Link destroys Ganon’s spirit i nthe Dark World.

457: LA



.....break time....WARNING...LONG READ..........


...YA




here we go!


Detailed Outline (long read):
The Creation of Hyrule:
The Goddesses create Hyrule. The races build many monuments and temples to worship the Goddesses.

The Imprisoning War:
The races of Hyrule are corrupted by the Triforce legend, and the races declare war on each other. Months into the war the Goddess’s chosen race, the Hylians, discover a realm parallel to Hyrule. The Wise Men decide to study the realm before entering. Somehow, a group of skilled thieves that were experienced in black magic also found the realm. Though they found the realm by accident, the leader of the group decided to send an army into the realm to search for the Triforce. This man was named Ganondorf Dragmire a.k.a. Mandrag Ganon. When this evil man set foot into the realm, the Golden Land became the Dark World, since the realm reflects what is in the heart.

The Wise Men felt the realm turn dark, and when evil energy started to flow from the Dark World, the King sent an army into the realm to stop Dragmire. Many soldiers fought and died in the sacred realm. Fearing that the surrounding lands would be taken over, the other races of Hyrule came together and fought side by side against the evil Dragmire. Eventually the Triforce was found, but unfortunately Dragmire’s army found it. Dragmire saw the Triforce shining ahead of his army. In a greedy lust for the Golden Power he killed his own people and comrades to ensure that he made it to the Triforce first. With his hands stained with the blood of many, Dragmire laid them on the Triforce. Something unexpected happened however. The Triforce split apart, and only one piece remained for Dragmire. It was not known at first what part Dragmire withheld, but with it Dragmire’s army, while outnumbered, became stronger through this Triforce’s power.

The Hyrulian Army was beginning to lose ground. And so, the Hylians in the Light World used their magic to forge a Sword that was immune to any type of magic, including that of the Triforce. With the Master Sword created there was no time to lose. The people found a Hero that was of strong mind and body to wield the Master Sword. The Hero ran to the Wise Men’s portal to the Dark World. The evil armies were almost to the rift, only the Royal Knights of Hylia remained to defend the Wise Men. The hero ran through into the Dark World, and the King commanded the Wise Men to seal the realm off so that the evil war would not spill outside into Hyrule. The Wise Men sealed the Hero and Knights in the realm, as if locking the tamer into the cage with the lion. The people remembered this as the Imprisoning War.

The Hero cut through the evil army using the Master Sword. Amazed by the Sword’s Power, the Knights deemed it The Sword of Evil’s Bain. The Hero confronted the all-powerful warlock. Dragmire was infuriated at the Hero for destroying his army. Dragmire used the Triforce’s power against the Hero, but the Triforce failed to destroy the Hero. The Master Sword had protected him. After a long battle, the Hero gained the upper hand and sleighed the evil warlock Dragmire. The Triforce rose from Dragmire’s hand and was free once again. The world celebrated their lives, and honored the many warriors who gave their lives for theirs. Hylians had fallen next to Zoras. Gorons had died along side Shiekah. This served to bring the races of the world closer together.

The Wise Men then created a seal called the Temple of Light. The Temple stood as a barrier to deter outsiders from entering the Realm. The people built the Temple of Time to commemorate the brave souls who saved Hyrule. The Hero set the Master Sword in the Pedestal of Time, inside the Temple of Time, then mysteriously disappeared.

The Imprisoning War was over, and the King of Hyrule wisely began his plan to unify the country by using the Triforce of Courage, which found it’s way to him when Dragmire touched the Triforce.

All was at peace, but greedy men still remained. The King’s own son, the Prince, was one of these. The King, a great ruler, maintained the peace in Hyrule using the Triforce. However, the king too was a child of man and he died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become king and inherited everything, but he could inherit the Triforce only in part. The Prince searched everywhere for the missing parts, but could not find them. Then, a magician close to the king brought him some unexpected news. Before he died, the king had said something about the Triforce to only the younger sister of the prince, Princess Zelda. The prince immediately questioned the princess, but she wouldn't tell him anything. After the prince, the magician threatened to put the princess into an eternal sleep if she did not talk, but even still, she said nothing.

In his anger, the magician tried to cast a magic spell on the princess. The surprised prince tried to stop him, but the magician fought off the prince and went on chanting the spell. Then, when the spell was finally cast, Princess Zelda fell on that spot and entered a sleep from which she might never awake. At the same time, the magician also fell down and breathed his last breath as the Prince thrust his sword into the magician's side.

In his grief, the prince placed the princess in a room and sealed it with the family's royal crest. He hoped that someday she would come back to life. So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered that every female child born into the royal household be given the name Zelda.

The reason that the Prince could not find the Triforce pieces was because the King had placed his Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace. The Triforce piece of Power, which Dragmire had left behind, was sealed in the Temple of Light by the Wise Men. The Triforce of Wisdom, went to Rauru. Rayru, the Ancient Sage and lead Wise Man, dedicated his life to watching over the Temple of Light. With the power of the Temple of Light and the Triforce pieces, Rauru would be able to watch over the Temple of Light without aging.

The Prince could only inherit the Triforce in part, and even then not control it completely. So the Prince went out to find the third Triforce.

Before his death, the King wrote a scroll. On it was written the location of the Triforce of Courage, and how to open the barrier protecting the palace. Also, it was written how to combine the pieces of the Triforce and restore it to completion. Before his death, the King cast a spell on Hyrule that one day a good man chosen by destiny would come to restore the Triforce.
The decades passed and the now wise prince, who had matured and became King, awoke one day after having a dream of his father telling him to combine the Triforce and place it in the Temple of Light. The young King consulted the Wise Men, and with them he pleaded to the Wise Hermit in the Great Palace. The Hermit did not trust anyone, but the presence and support of the Wise Men helped to persuade him. Seeing that the young King was wise enough and held the power of rule over Hyrule, the Hermit then tested the young King’s courage. The King then had to confront his own evil, manifested into his own shadow. After a long and trying battle, the King conquered his dark side, and the Hermit gave the King the Triforce of Courage to place back into its rightful resting place, The Sacred Realm.
The Wise Men magically moved the Triforce back to the Sacred Realm. There the Triforce pieces recombined, and so Rauru watched over the Temple of Light, which housed the Triforce in the Sacred Realm for roughly the period of 300 years.

Three or four generations later, the races were at peace. Only the Gerudo remained separate from the unified Hyrule. There was man that led the Gerudo, his name was also Ganondorf, named after the great thief of long ago that once claimed the Triforce. Ganondorf, a name while despised by Hylians, was honored of the Gerudo. (Not exactlly a multiple Ganon theory, the first Ganondorf may not have even been related to the Ganondorf of OoT, and certainly may not have looked like him. There is only one Ganondorf, but there was once another with that name. There is a difference, Dragmire controlled black magic theives, Ganondorf controlled women thieves.)

One day, Ganondorf attacked a town in Hyrule. A woman fled the burning town with her infant son Link. She was struck by an arrow and fatally wounded. She was able to make it to the enchanted forest however. The guardian spirit, The Great Deku Tree, sensed the woman and let her pass through the magical barrier of the Lost Woods. She fell down before the Deku Tree and asked it to take care of her baby boy, Link. She then passed away.

The Deku Tree felt that the boy was a child of destiny, and would be called upon one day to save Hyrule. The Deku Tree took him into the forest. There, Link grew up as a Kokiri.

OoT:
At age ten, Link set out to fulfill his destiny, and save the land of Hyrule.
Link pulled the Master Sword and opened the Sacred Realm and Temple of Light, which housed the Triforce. Ganondorf used this opportunity to enter the Realm and claim the Triforce. When he touched it, the Triforce split. The Triforce of Wisdom flew to Zelda, the Triforce of Courage went to Link whom was protected by the Sages Seal, and to Ganondorf was left the Triforce of Power. Ganondorf left the realm, and his reign of evil began.
Seven years passed for Link whom was kept in suspended animation. Link awoke in the Chamber of Sages as an adult. Rauru, the sage of light, told Link what had happened. Rauru said that ages ago the Ancient Sages built the Temple of Light to deter outsiders from entering the Sacred Realm. The Temple of Light, which was situated in the very heart of the Sacred Realm, was the resting place for the Triforce. (this is how we must deduce that the Triforce was restored after the AoL backstory, how else would it be complete in OoT?)
Link left the Chamber and discovered that the world had been devastated. Link began to awaken the other Sages so that he may gain the power to defeat Ganondorf.
After Link defeated Ganondorf and the Sages sealed Ganon in the Void of the Evil Realm, a dimension that was void of everything. Link closed the road between that future, and the present. Is what this did, was erase the evil future that Ganondorf had created.

If a man were to witness Link and Ganondorf entering into the Sacred Realm, that man would see Link pull the sword and open the realm, Link be swallowed up by the blue light, Ganondorf enter into the light. The Triforce of Wisdom leaves the light and flies to Zelda. The realm closes, and Link emerges from it to close the door of time. Link’s journey through time was experienced, but only by two people, Link and Ganondorf. For the ones outside of the influence of the Temple of Time’s magic, Link’s journey would be instant and unknown. Since Link, the Hero of Time, went back to the original time while Ganondorf was sealed in the Void of the Evil Realm in the original time also, Link continued his journey and thus overwrote the erased future.

Wind Waker:
This is what would have been if Link had decided to stay in the future, then left for another land or died. The Triforce of Courage would have been shattered, and no hero would be there to save the future Hyrule from Ganon. The world would have been flooded and Hyrule would have died as well. Evidence of this is seen in both the Master Sword's and the Triforce of Courage's existance in the future. These can only exist here if Link stayed i nthat timeline with them. However, since Link left with both of these, it is impossible for them to exist in that timeline. Thus, since Link did go back in time, he erased the future from happening.

MM:
Link told only Zelda about what transpired in the future, and explained why she now had the Triforce of Wisdom. Zelda had thought that Link succeeded in keeping the Triforce out of Ganondorf’s reach, but when she heard the story of the destroyed Hyrule, the Gorons, and the unfortunate Zoras, she began to understand that Ganondorf would return one day. Even though only Link and Ganondorf had knowledge of that future and there was no way to prove that it really happened, Zelda’s faith in Link and the sudden disappearance of Ganondorf was enough for her to believe Link. However, Link asked that the future events not be brought up with anyone else except for Impa, who Zelda could trust unconditionally.

Link stayed in Hyrule for a little while to educate himself in the castle’s library. During this time it seemed that the King now believed in Zelda’s visions. Though the King had not experienced the future, he did experience everything up to the point when Link pulled the Master Sword. Before that, Ganondorf had caused a commotion in the castle in an attempt to kidnap Zelda. The King was overjoyed to see his daughter safe and sound and admitted that he should have listened to her and had been more cautious. Link thought it would be best to give the Triforce of Courage to the King, just in case he never made it back from his next quest. The King did not want to keep the Triforce of Courage since his daughter had the Triforce of Wisdom and he feared it would make them to much of a target. However, the king agreed to take it and place it in the Great Palace where it had been set many years ago, for safe-keeping.

A few months passed, and Link next embarked on a quest to find his guardian fairy Navi. He said his goodbye to Zelda, whom knew that they would both meet again some day. Link first went to the Lon Lon Ranch where Malon gave Epona to him. Link next searched the area of the woods far to the north of the castle, the direction in which Navi flew off toward. Link encountered the Skull Kid who was armed with a powerful mask. Link fell into a world parallel to Hyrule. In the land of Termina, Link fought against the evil power of the cursed mask. Link destroyed the evil and saved the land from destruction.

OoA/S:
After returning from Termina, Link searched the forests of Hyrule. Unknown to Link, he was about to cross into another dimensional rift in Hyrule. One night, Link slept under a tree in the woods. Link had a dream about a castle. In the dream [B]Link entered the castle and was sucked into an alternate dimension. During his unconsciousness Link dreamt of the Triforce. When he awoke he found that two unbalances in nature and time caused by two evil tyrants had drawn him there.

(It must have been a dream since the Triforce was never complete and placed in Hyrule Castle, and Komue and Kotake are alive as well.)

After defeating Veran and Onyx, and correcting the problems, Link found something horrible in this land. Koume and Kotake who were killed by Link in the future were still alive! Since they died in a future that never existed and lived in a time that was true, they were once again able to use their black magic in vile ways. The sisters used the distortions in time and space of that land to break the Sages Seal over the Void of the Evil Realm.

It was like directing a river at a stone wall. The powerful energy that was being created from the rifts greatly weakened the Sages Seal, but it was not enough. Because the seal was weak in that dimension it was easier to break for the combined power on the Witches, but only if a life were to be sacrificed. The Witches planned on using Zelda for their dirty work, much like they had used Nabooru in the past. Link was able to save Zelda however, and the Witches then sacrificed themselves in order to weaken the seal. Ganon used the Triforce of Power in the void to rip the cracks in the seal open and release himself. However, thanks to the intervention, experience, and determination of Link, Ganon was defeated. The power used to break the seal had drained Ganon immensely, and so he could only barely escape the finishing blow from Link.

Zelda had been brainwashed by the witch sisters, and did not remember anything of what happened, but when they died the spell was lifted and Zelda came back to her senses. She thanked Link and left with Impa to go back to Hyrule. However on the way back, Ganon captured Zelda and fled for his mountain stronghold in the Far East Death Mountain range. While Zelda was being carried by Ganon through the sky, she took the Triforce of Wisdom from her hand and split it into eight units. She cast them into the land below and each found it’s way to a palace where the magical aura was strong.

LoZ:
Since the Sages of the OoT future did not become sages in the true time until after Ganon had already escaped, the Sages Seal over him could not be reinforced by their power. Since no one expected Ganon to return so soon, Impa was not prepared for Ganon’s next attack. Ganon sent a band of moblins to stop Impa while he made away with Princess Zelda, and took her to a secluded land far off from Hyrule's main land or central region.
After Link had set everything right in the lands of time and seasons, he used the magic harp and rod items to return him to Hyrule. Link was concerned for Zelda, and he made haste back to Hyrule to meet her. Unfortunately, Link found that Ganon had already made it back to Hyrule before him and sealed himself away in the darkness of his stronghold with Zelda.

After saving Impa from aggressive moblins, Link learned that Zelda had separated her Triforce into 8 untis. Link gathered the units and planned to use the power of wisdom to reveal Ganon who was hiding in the darkness. Link launched a counter attack on Ganon’s stronghold fortress inside Pinnacle Rock, Link killed Ganon using the silver arrows, obtained the Triforce of Power, and saved Zelda.

From then on, the 15-year-old Link who had become much more than a boy, was honored by the King of Hyrule, Zelda’s father. Link asked that he not be recognized by anyone else for his accomplishments The King, who was impressed by Link’s selflessness, respected his request.
Also, by this time, the Sages were beginning to hear the awakening call from the temples to become sages.

AoL:
Link and Zelda agreed that in order to keep the Triforce safe they should return the Triforce pieces to the Sacred Realm, they did so. Thinking they would never be sought after by evil ones seeking the power of gold, Zelda returned to the castle and Link helped to rebuild the towns. The Triforce of Courage had been placed in the Great Palace, a temple built by a Great King of long ago to house the Triforce of Courage, and sealed away by the stones that the King created long ago, for safe-keeping.

The months passed and the towns around Hyrule were rebuilt. Some towns were built in honor of the Sages.

Link was approaching his 16th birthday, the crest on his hand began to shine. The spell that the Great King of long ago cast on Hyrule had finally fulfilled itself again by choosing Link to recombine the Triforce pieces. Impa found Link and instructed him to place his hand over the sealed door of the North Castle. Impa told him the story of the Great King’s daughter, and how long ago she was cursed by her own brother and put into an ageless sleep. Link realized that the only way to awaken her was to use the power of the Triforce pieces.

Link did not want to recall the Triforce of Courage from the Great Palace that soon, since he knew that it might give evil ones an opportunity to seize control of it. However, Link felt compelled to help this girl who lie asleep. Link decided that it was best for Zelda’s ancestor to be awakened, because she too was a victim of the evil that plagued Hyrule.

Link took a map of northern Hyrule and set out to recover the Triforce of Power to break the curse on Zelda.

However, this gave Ganon an opportunity to resurrect himself. If Link were to die during the quest, his minions could collect his blood and sprinkle it on Ganon’s ashes to bring him back from the dead.

Link preformed his quest flawlessly however, and recovered all pieces of the Triforce to bring this Zelda out of her sleep.

When Link returned, Zelda was overjoyed that Link had succeeded, and see her great aunt safe and sound. The King was in Link’s debt once again, and so in a private ceremony, the King knighted Link and deemed him The Hero of Hyrule.

Link requested that his deeds go unrecognized by the nation, since he wished to remain humble and not be sought after by the masses.

Madame Zelda was thankful for her life, and began her new life in the new Hyrule almost 400 years after she was put into her sleep.

LttP:
Link and Zelda returned the complete Triforce to the Sacred Realm, and moved the Master Sword to a new location, in case Link had to ever use the sword again. They thought, that because the Triforce was back in the Temple of Light that it would be safe. Especially since all 7 sages had been awakened by destiny to watch over the temples and the Chamber of Sages. With the world at peace, Link set out to find people that knew about his family, and he found his long lost uncle.

By moving the Master Sword to a new location, the ancient magic of the Sword created three pendants that acted much like the Spiritual Stones did for the Door of Time. In the pedestal where the Sword was set, its legend was written in the ancient language of the Hylian people, the same people that forged the Sword.

After a while, Hyrule fell under harsh conditions. Fearing that it was a sign that the great cataclysm was coming, the King issued a reward to anyone that could quell the plagues and weather. A wizard named Agahnim came to Hyrule and used magic to stop the storms and plagues. The king gave him a position as high wizard. Over the next few months Agahnim started performing experiments in the tower of a far away castle still located in Hyrule. He then started abducting descendants of the Wise Men who long ago were the Ancient Sages and created the Temple of Light to protect the Triforce. These Ancient Sages were the very same ones that Rayru told Link about when he was in the Chamber of Sages.

Agahmin brainwashed the soldiers, and killed the King.

Link collected the pendants and reclaimed the Master Sword. With it he broke the spell over the castle and attacked Agahnim.

Agahnim had been going back and forth through the Sacred Realm undetected for the past months, and it was his presence in the realm which turned it into the Dark World. After sending Zelda into the sacred Realm, Agahnim used the magical properties of the maidens to tear the Temple of Light down. After he turned the realm into an evil world, released the Triforce from the protection of the Sages, and constructed the Pyramid of Power around the Triforce, Agahnim moved his master Ganon’s spirit into the dark world to gain power and strength. Link was sent there as well when he attempted to save Zelda.

Link saved all of the maidens and killed Agahnim, it was then he found out that the wizard was merely Ganon’s slave. Link chased Ganon to his pyramid of power and destroyed Ganon’s spirit. Now, there was no coming back for Ganon, or was there?

After using the Triforce to restore Hyrule back to the way it was before, Link set sail across the Great Hylian Sea. Link chose to leave the Triforce in the Sacred Realm, since he knew that no man should control the laws of the universe.

LA:
Link’s raft is caught in a storm. Link is knocked out and wakes up on a mysterious island. Link’s dreams merge with the dream of the Wind Wish who is being kept asleep by a nightmare monster. Link wakes the Wind Fish by destroying the nightmare and is now drifting on a piece of wood. To be continued

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Old Mar. 17, 2005, 03:45 PM   #29
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I'm pretty sure the next one is going to be based after Wind Waker, could be wrong.
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Hey someone read it!

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I'm sorry, but that has more plotholes than you could do by poking a stick with.

1-) SEasons / ages Impa is a OLD woman!!!
2-) Link had a UNCLE in ALTTP...

And I'm too tired to post the rest.
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The Mimish cap is accually a elder called Eglo witch was turned into a hat by Vastii
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There probably seperate timelines.

Zelda 1, AoL, alttp, and LA are all connected.


OOt, MM and WW and Z2k5 ar ethe next batch

The oracle series are either after LA or on their own.

The minish cap , then Four swords, and then maybe four swords adventures.
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LoZ = Legend of Zelda
AoL = Adventure of Link
LttP = A Link to the Past
LA = Link's Awakening
OoT = Ocarina of Time
MM = Majora's Mask
OoA/S = Oracle of Ages/Seasons
WW = Wind Waker

Basic Outline:
0: Creation. (guessing that nothing much happened except the construction of the many temples and palaces in honor of the Goddesses)

115: Imprisoning War - Light Temple was created after Ganondorf Dragmire (known as that in the LttP manual) was killed by a hero, knights of Hylia, and Wise Men (Sages). The Triforce pieces of Power and Wisdom were placed there.

145: Adventure of Link back-story takes place. The Prince becomes a wise King, the Great Palace housed the past King's Triforce of Courage, the recombining of the Triforce took place in this era to fulfill what happened in Ocarina of Time.

440: Link and Zelda are born.

450: OoT - OoT future takes place.

457: Wind Waker future begins, but Link defeats Ganondorf and goes back in time, this erases the future and the events of Wind Waker.

450: OoT - present continues - Link has Triforce of Courage sealed in Great Palace for safekeeping. Ganondorf is sealed in the present void.

450: MM

455: OoA/S Zelda is captured and brainwashed by witches, rescued by Link, Ganon is released, defeated but escapes, Ganon kidnaps Zelda and goes to Hyrule. Link follows.

455: LoZ takes place - Ganon is killed.

456: AoL Sages awaken (earlier than in OoT since there is no evil force keeping them from hearing the call).

457: LttP Link destroys Ganon’s spirit i nthe Dark World.

457: LA



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Detailed Outline (long read):
The Creation of Hyrule:
The Goddesses create Hyrule. The races build many monuments and temples to worship the Goddesses.

The Imprisoning War:
The races of Hyrule are corrupted by the Triforce legend, and the races declare war on each other. Months into the war the Goddess’s chosen race, the Hylians, discover a realm parallel to Hyrule. The Wise Men decide to study the realm before entering. Somehow, a group of skilled thieves that were experienced in black magic also found the realm. Though they found the realm by accident, the leader of the group decided to send an army into the realm to search for the Triforce. This man was named Ganondorf Dragmire a.k.a. Mandrag Ganon. When this evil man set foot into the realm, the Golden Land became the Dark World, since the realm reflects what is in the heart.

The Wise Men felt the realm turn dark, and when evil energy started to flow from the Dark World, the King sent an army into the realm to stop Dragmire. Many soldiers fought and died in the sacred realm. Fearing that the surrounding lands would be taken over, the other races of Hyrule came together and fought side by side against the evil Dragmire. Eventually the Triforce was found, but unfortunately Dragmire’s army found it. Dragmire saw the Triforce shining ahead of his army. In a greedy lust for the Golden Power he killed his own people and comrades to ensure that he made it to the Triforce first. With his hands stained with the blood of many, Dragmire laid them on the Triforce. Something unexpected happened however. The Triforce split apart, and only one piece remained for Dragmire. It was not known at first what part Dragmire withheld, but with it Dragmire’s army, while outnumbered, became stronger through this Triforce’s power.

The Hyrulian Army was beginning to lose ground. And so, the Hylians in the Light World used their magic to forge a Sword that was immune to any type of magic, including that of the Triforce. With the Master Sword created there was no time to lose. The people found a Hero that was of strong mind and body to wield the Master Sword. The Hero ran to the Wise Men’s portal to the Dark World. The evil armies were almost to the rift, only the Royal Knights of Hylia remained to defend the Wise Men. The hero ran through into the Dark World, and the King commanded the Wise Men to seal the realm off so that the evil war would not spill outside into Hyrule. The Wise Men sealed the Hero and Knights in the realm, as if locking the tamer into the cage with the lion. The people remembered this as the Imprisoning War.

The Hero cut through the evil army using the Master Sword. Amazed by the Sword’s Power, the Knights deemed it The Sword of Evil’s Bain. The Hero confronted the all-powerful warlock. Dragmire was infuriated at the Hero for destroying his army. Dragmire used the Triforce’s power against the Hero, but the Triforce failed to destroy the Hero. The Master Sword had protected him. After a long battle, the Hero gained the upper hand and sleighed the evil warlock Dragmire. The Triforce rose from Dragmire’s hand and was free once again. The world celebrated their lives, and honored the many warriors who gave their lives for theirs. Hylians had fallen next to Zoras. Gorons had died along side Shiekah. This served to bring the races of the world closer together.

The Wise Men then created a seal called the Temple of Light. The Temple stood as a barrier to deter outsiders from entering the Realm. The people built the Temple of Time to commemorate the brave souls who saved Hyrule. The Hero set the Master Sword in the Pedestal of Time, inside the Temple of Time, then mysteriously disappeared.

The Imprisoning War was over, and the King of Hyrule wisely began his plan to unify the country by using the Triforce of Courage, which found it’s way to him when Dragmire touched the Triforce.

All was at peace, but greedy men still remained. The King’s own son, the Prince, was one of these. The King, a great ruler, maintained the peace in Hyrule using the Triforce. However, the king too was a child of man and he died. Then, the prince of the kingdom should have become king and inherited everything, but he could inherit the Triforce only in part. The Prince searched everywhere for the missing parts, but could not find them. Then, a magician close to the king brought him some unexpected news. Before he died, the king had said something about the Triforce to only the younger sister of the prince, Princess Zelda. The prince immediately questioned the princess, but she wouldn't tell him anything. After the prince, the magician threatened to put the princess into an eternal sleep if she did not talk, but even still, she said nothing.

In his anger, the magician tried to cast a magic spell on the princess. The surprised prince tried to stop him, but the magician fought off the prince and went on chanting the spell. Then, when the spell was finally cast, Princess Zelda fell on that spot and entered a sleep from which she might never awake. At the same time, the magician also fell down and breathed his last breath as the Prince thrust his sword into the magician's side.

In his grief, the prince placed the princess in a room and sealed it with the family's royal crest. He hoped that someday she would come back to life. So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered that every female child born into the royal household be given the name Zelda.

The reason that the Prince could not find the Triforce pieces was because the King had placed his Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace. The Triforce piece of Power, which Dragmire had left behind, was sealed in the Temple of Light by the Wise Men. The Triforce of Wisdom, went to Rauru. Rayru, the Ancient Sage and lead Wise Man, dedicated his life to watching over the Temple of Light. With the power of the Temple of Light and the Triforce pieces, Rauru would be able to watch over the Temple of Light without aging.

The Prince could only inherit the Triforce in part, and even then not control it completely. So the Prince went out to find the third Triforce.

Before his death, the King wrote a scroll. On it was written the location of the Triforce of Courage, and how to open the barrier protecting the palace. Also, it was written how to combine the pieces of the Triforce and restore it to completion. Before his death, the King cast a spell on Hyrule that one day a good man chosen by destiny would come to restore the Triforce.
The decades passed and the now wise prince, who had matured and became King, awoke one day after having a dream of his father telling him to combine the Triforce and place it in the Temple of Light. The young King consulted the Wise Men, and with them he pleaded to the Wise Hermit in the Great Palace. The Hermit did not trust anyone, but the presence and support of the Wise Men helped to persuade him. Seeing that the young King was wise enough and held the power of rule over Hyrule, the Hermit then tested the young King’s courage. The King then had to confront his own evil, manifested into his own shadow. After a long and trying battle, the King conquered his dark side, and the Hermit gave the King the Triforce of Courage to place back into its rightful resting place, The Sacred Realm.
The Wise Men magically moved the Triforce back to the Sacred Realm. There the Triforce pieces recombined, and so Rauru watched over the Temple of Light, which housed the Triforce in the Sacred Realm for roughly the period of 300 years.

Three or four generations later, the races were at peace. Only the Gerudo remained separate from the unified Hyrule. There was man that led the Gerudo, his name was also Ganondorf, named after the great thief of long ago that once claimed the Triforce. Ganondorf, a name while despised by Hylians, was honored of the Gerudo. (Not exactlly a multiple Ganon theory, the first Ganondorf may not have even been related to the Ganondorf of OoT, and certainly may not have looked like him. There is only one Ganondorf, but there was once another with that name. There is a difference, Dragmire controlled black magic theives, Ganondorf controlled women thieves.)

One day, Ganondorf attacked a town in Hyrule. A woman fled the burning town with her infant son Link. She was struck by an arrow and fatally wounded. She was able to make it to the enchanted forest however. The guardian spirit, The Great Deku Tree, sensed the woman and let her pass through the magical barrier of the Lost Woods. She fell down before the Deku Tree and asked it to take care of her baby boy, Link. She then passed away.

The Deku Tree felt that the boy was a child of destiny, and would be called upon one day to save Hyrule. The Deku Tree took him into the forest. There, Link grew up as a Kokiri.

OoT:
At age ten, Link set out to fulfill his destiny, and save the land of Hyrule.
Link pulled the Master Sword and opened the Sacred Realm and Temple of Light, which housed the Triforce. Ganondorf used this opportunity to enter the Realm and claim the Triforce. When he touched it, the Triforce split. The Triforce of Wisdom flew to Zelda, the Triforce of Courage went to Link whom was protected by the Sages Seal, and to Ganondorf was left the Triforce of Power. Ganondorf left the realm, and his reign of evil began.
Seven years passed for Link whom was kept in suspended animation. Link awoke in the Chamber of Sages as an adult. Rauru, the sage of light, told Link what had happened. Rauru said that ages ago the Ancient Sages built the Temple of Light to deter outsiders from entering the Sacred Realm. The Temple of Light, which was situated in the very heart of the Sacred Realm, was the resting place for the Triforce. (this is how we must deduce that the Triforce was restored after the AoL backstory, how else would it be complete in OoT?)
Link left the Chamber and discovered that the world had been devastated. Link began to awaken the other Sages so that he may gain the power to defeat Ganondorf.
After Link defeated Ganondorf and the Sages sealed Ganon in the Void of the Evil Realm, a dimension that was void of everything. Link closed the road between that future, and the present. Is what this did, was erase the evil future that Ganondorf had created.

If a man were to witness Link and Ganondorf entering into the Sacred Realm, that man would see Link pull the sword and open the realm, Link be swallowed up by the blue light, Ganondorf enter into the light. The Triforce of Wisdom leaves the light and flies to Zelda. The realm closes, and Link emerges from it to close the door of time. Link’s journey through time was experienced, but only by two people, Link and Ganondorf. For the ones outside of the influence of the Temple of Time’s magic, Link’s journey would be instant and unknown. Since Link, the Hero of Time, went back to the original time while Ganondorf was sealed in the Void of the Evil Realm in the original time also, Link continued his journey and thus overwrote the erased future.

Wind Waker:
This is what would have been if Link had decided to stay in the future, then left for another land or died. The Triforce of Courage would have been shattered, and no hero would be there to save the future Hyrule from Ganon. The world would have been flooded and Hyrule would have died as well. Evidence of this is seen in both the Master Sword's and the Triforce of Courage's existance in the future. These can only exist here if Link stayed i nthat timeline with them. However, since Link left with both of these, it is impossible for them to exist in that timeline. Thus, since Link did go back in time, he erased the future from happening.

MM:
Link told only Zelda about what transpired in the future, and explained why she now had the Triforce of Wisdom. Zelda had thought that Link succeeded in keeping the Triforce out of Ganondorf’s reach, but when she heard the story of the destroyed Hyrule, the Gorons, and the unfortunate Zoras, she began to understand that Ganondorf would return one day. Even though only Link and Ganondorf had knowledge of that future and there was no way to prove that it really happened, Zelda’s faith in Link and the sudden disappearance of Ganondorf was enough for her to believe Link. However, Link asked that the future events not be brought up with anyone else except for Impa, who Zelda could trust unconditionally.

Link stayed in Hyrule for a little while to educate himself in the castle’s library. During this time it seemed that the King now believed in Zelda’s visions. Though the King had not experienced the future, he did experience everything up to the point when Link pulled the Master Sword. Before that, Ganondorf had caused a commotion in the castle in an attempt to kidnap Zelda. The King was overjoyed to see his daughter safe and sound and admitted that he should have listened to her and had been more cautious. Link thought it would be best to give the Triforce of Courage to the King, just in case he never made it back from his next quest. The King did not want to keep the Triforce of Courage since his daughter had the Triforce of Wisdom and he feared it would make them to much of a target. However, the king agreed to take it and place it in the Great Palace where it had been set many years ago, for safe-keeping.

A few months passed, and Link next embarked on a quest to find his guardian fairy Navi. He said his goodbye to Zelda, whom knew that they would both meet again some day. Link first went to the Lon Lon Ranch where Malon gave Epona to him. Link next searched the area of the woods far to the north of the castle, the direction in which Navi flew off toward. Link encountered the Skull Kid who was armed with a powerful mask. Link fell into a world parallel to Hyrule. In the land of Termina, Link fought against the evil power of the cursed mask. Link destroyed the evil and saved the land from destruction.

OoA/S:
After returning from Termina, Link searched the forests of Hyrule. Unknown to Link, he was about to cross into another dimensional rift in Hyrule. One night, Link slept under a tree in the woods. Link had a dream about a castle. In the dream [B]Link entered the castle and was sucked into an alternate dimension. During his unconsciousness Link dreamt of the Triforce. When he awoke he found that two unbalances in nature and time caused by two evil tyrants had drawn him there.

(It must have been a dream since the Triforce was never complete and placed in Hyrule Castle, and Komue and Kotake are alive as well.)

After defeating Veran and Onyx, and correcting the problems, Link found something horrible in this land. Koume and Kotake who were killed by Link in the future were still alive! Since they died in a future that never existed and lived in a time that was true, they were once again able to use their black magic in vile ways. The sisters used the distortions in time and space of that land to break the Sages Seal over the Void of the Evil Realm.

It was like directing a river at a stone wall. The powerful energy that was being created from the rifts greatly weakened the Sages Seal, but it was not enough. Because the seal was weak in that dimension it was easier to break for the combined power on the Witches, but only if a life were to be sacrificed. The Witches planned on using Zelda for their dirty work, much like they had used Nabooru in the past. Link was able to save Zelda however, and the Witches then sacrificed themselves in order to weaken the seal. Ganon used the Triforce of Power in the void to rip the cracks in the seal open and release himself. However, thanks to the intervention, experience, and determination of Link, Ganon was defeated. The power used to break the seal had drained Ganon immensely, and so he could only barely escape the finishing blow from Link.

Zelda had been brainwashed by the witch sisters, and did not remember anything of what happened, but when they died the spell was lifted and Zelda came back to her senses. She thanked Link and left with Impa to go back to Hyrule. However on the way back, Ganon captured Zelda and fled for his mountain stronghold in the Far East Death Mountain range. While Zelda was being carried by Ganon through the sky, she took the Triforce of Wisdom from her hand and split it into eight units. She cast them into the land below and each found it’s way to a palace where the magical aura was strong.

LoZ:
Since the Sages of the OoT future did not become sages in the true time until after Ganon had already escaped, the Sages Seal over him could not be reinforced by their power. Since no one expected Ganon to return so soon, Impa was not prepared for Ganon’s next attack. Ganon sent a band of moblins to stop Impa while he made away with Princess Zelda, and took her to a secluded land far off from Hyrule's main land or central region.
After Link had set everything right in the lands of time and seasons, he used the magic harp and rod items to return him to Hyrule. Link was concerned for Zelda, and he made haste back to Hyrule to meet her. Unfortunately, Link found that Ganon had already made it back to Hyrule before him and sealed himself away in the darkness of his stronghold with Zelda.

After saving Impa from aggressive moblins, Link learned that Zelda had separated her Triforce into 8 untis. Link gathered the units and planned to use the power of wisdom to reveal Ganon who was hiding in the darkness. Link launched a counter attack on Ganon’s stronghold fortress inside Pinnacle Rock, Link killed Ganon using the silver arrows, obtained the Triforce of Power, and saved Zelda.

From then on, the 15-year-old Link who had become much more than a boy, was honored by the King of Hyrule, Zelda’s father. Link asked that he not be recognized by anyone else for his accomplishments The King, who was impressed by Link’s selflessness, respected his request.
Also, by this time, the Sages were beginning to hear the awakening call from the temples to become sages.

AoL:
Link and Zelda agreed that in order to keep the Triforce safe they should return the Triforce pieces to the Sacred Realm, they did so. Thinking they would never be sought after by evil ones seeking the power of gold, Zelda returned to the castle and Link helped to rebuild the towns. The Triforce of Courage had been placed in the Great Palace, a temple built by a Great King of long ago to house the Triforce of Courage, and sealed away by the stones that the King created long ago, for safe-keeping.

The months passed and the towns around Hyrule were rebuilt. Some towns were built in honor of the Sages.

Link was approaching his 16th birthday, the crest on his hand began to shine. The spell that the Great King of long ago cast on Hyrule had finally fulfilled itself again by choosing Link to recombine the Triforce pieces. Impa found Link and instructed him to place his hand over the sealed door of the North Castle. Impa told him the story of the Great King’s daughter, and how long ago she was cursed by her own brother and put into an ageless sleep. Link realized that the only way to awaken her was to use the power of the Triforce pieces.

Link did not want to recall the Triforce of Courage from the Great Palace that soon, since he knew that it might give evil ones an opportunity to seize control of it. However, Link felt compelled to help this girl who lie asleep. Link decided that it was best for Zelda’s ancestor to be awakened, because she too was a victim of the evil that plagued Hyrule.

Link took a map of northern Hyrule and set out to recover the Triforce of Power to break the curse on Zelda.

However, this gave Ganon an opportunity to resurrect himself. If Link were to die during the quest, his minions could collect his blood and sprinkle it on Ganon’s ashes to bring him back from the dead.

Link preformed his quest flawlessly however, and recovered all pieces of the Triforce to bring this Zelda out of her sleep.

When Link returned, Zelda was overjoyed that Link had succeeded, and see her great aunt safe and sound. The King was in Link’s debt once again, and so in a private ceremony, the King knighted Link and deemed him The Hero of Hyrule.

Link requested that his deeds go unrecognized by the nation, since he wished to remain humble and not be sought after by the masses.

Madame Zelda was thankful for her life, and began her new life in the new Hyrule almost 400 years after she was put into her sleep.

LttP:
Link and Zelda returned the complete Triforce to the Sacred Realm, and moved the Master Sword to a new location, in case Link had to ever use the sword again. They thought, that because the Triforce was back in the Temple of Light that it would be safe. Especially since all 7 sages had been awakened by destiny to watch over the temples and the Chamber of Sages. With the world at peace, Link set out to find people that knew about his family, and he found his long lost uncle.

By moving the Master Sword to a new location, the ancient magic of the Sword created three pendants that acted much like the Spiritual Stones did for the Door of Time. In the pedestal where the Sword was set, its legend was written in the ancient language of the Hylian people, the same people that forged the Sword.

After a while, Hyrule fell under harsh conditions. Fearing that it was a sign that the great cataclysm was coming, the King issued a reward to anyone that could quell the plagues and weather. A wizard named Agahnim came to Hyrule and used magic to stop the storms and plagues. The king gave him a position as high wizard. Over the next few months Agahnim started performing experiments in the tower of a far away castle still located in Hyrule. He then started abducting descendants of the Wise Men who long ago were the Ancient Sages and created the Temple of Light to protect the Triforce. These Ancient Sages were the very same ones that Rayru told Link about when he was in the Chamber of Sages.

Agahmin brainwashed the soldiers, and killed the King.

Link collected the pendants and reclaimed the Master Sword. With it he broke the spell over the castle and attacked Agahnim.

Agahnim had been going back and forth through the Sacred Realm undetected for the past months, and it was his presence in the realm which turned it into the Dark World. After sending Zelda into the sacred Realm, Agahnim used the magical properties of the maidens to tear the Temple of Light down. After he turned the realm into an evil world, released the Triforce from the protection of the Sages, and constructed the Pyramid of Power around the Triforce, Agahnim moved his master Ganon’s spirit into the dark world to gain power and strength. Link was sent there as well when he attempted to save Zelda.

Link saved all of the maidens and killed Agahnim, it was then he found out that the wizard was merely Ganon’s slave. Link chased Ganon to his pyramid of power and destroyed Ganon’s spirit. Now, there was no coming back for Ganon, or was there?

After using the Triforce to restore Hyrule back to the way it was before, Link set sail across the Great Hylian Sea. Link chose to leave the Triforce in the Sacred Realm, since he knew that no man should control the laws of the universe.

LA:
Link’s raft is caught in a storm. Link is knocked out and wakes up on a mysterious island. Link’s dreams merge with the dream of the Wind Wish who is being kept asleep by a nightmare monster. Link wakes the Wind Fish by destroying the nightmare and is now drifting on a piece of wood. To be continued


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[quote]Introduction

Alright, here it is, Version 2! The old version got stickied at probably the worst possible time, as most of the topics whose links were provided got deleted right before the sticky. So here's Version 2. It's neater, and it includes a search function, just like the board guide. Now, there is still a lot of timeline ignorance here, and this will attempt to change that. Well, at least a little, anyway. There are 12 sections in this guide, and the first half of them deal with things that are fact, and confirmed by Nintendo. There will be an unconfirmed speculation section near the end, along with other theories and timeline stuff. So, ask any questions you have here instead of making a topic. Also, feel free to post your timeline theory here, but please be sure to follow Rule 10 of Section 12 if you plan to post it.

Credit For Contributions

I must give credit where credit is due. I did not compile this massive FAQ by myself, and I couldn't have even if I had wanted to. Many other people helped with the creation of this FAQ. It might have been through direct contribution, or it might have simply been through some discussions in past-existing threads. Their contributions may have been big, or they may have been small. But anyway, I would like to thank: aclemfaal, andor3, Coco Monkay, Darken Poltergeist, gamil_zirak, Hardcore_Gamer7, Impossible II, MegaNeo, OmegaDevastator, Spinder1, The Sound Defense, TSA, Valiento, and YamiiMatt.

Table of Contents (Credit to Coco Monkay for this idea) Press Control then F to bring up the search bar.

Introduction
Credit For Contributions
Table of Contents
Section 1-Thread Conduct
Section 2-Abbreviations
Section 3-Basic Stuff
Section 4-Number of Timelines
Section 5-How the Double Timeline Theory Works
Section 6-Game Order
Section 7-Uncomfirmed But Possibly Accurate Speculation
Section 8-My Timeline Theory
Section 9-Darken Poltergeist's Theory
Section 10-Geography
Section 11-The Imprisoning War
Section 12-TIMELINE-TWAPPED
Conclusion

Section 1-Thread Conduct

Unfortunately, this has to be the first section because, as the last version showed, some people will miss it.

Now that I don't have to worry about single vs. double timeline flamewars (you'll find out why in section 4) this section can be a lot smaller. Just the usual rules: no flaming, no trolling, no spamming, and all that other good stuff. Please follow this rule, however. Try not to bash someone's theory too badly if you don't agree with it. Just politely correct them, or argue about it in a semi-civilized manner. I realize this rule probably won't be followed, but I thought I'd put it in here anyway.

Also, IT IS UNNECESSARY TO BUMP A STICKIED TOPIC! Three of the last four posts in the board guide have been bumps, even after I informed the guys who did it originally that it was unnecessary. Just be warned, bumping a stickied topic can be considered disruptive posting. I won't mark you for it, but others may, so please, don't bump this topic after it's stickied.

Section 2-Abbreviations

Before I begin, for those who don't know the abbreviations, here they are:

(T)LoZ-The Legend of Zelda-Released in 1987 on the Nintendo Entertainment System.

(T)AoL-The Adventure of Link-Released in 1988, also on the NES.

ALttP-A Link to the Past-Released in 1992, on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System.

LA-Link's Awakening-Released in 1993, on the GameBoy. A deluxe, color version was released in 1998 on the GBC.

OoT-Ocarina of Time-Released in 1998, on the Nintendo 64.

MM-Majora's Mask-Released in 2000, also on the N64.

OoA-Oracle of Ages-Released in 2001, on the GameBoy Color.

OoS-Oracle of Seasons-Released on the same day as OoA, also on the GBC.

FS-Four Swords-Released in 2002, as part of a GBA port of ALttP.

TWW-The Wind Waker-Released in 2003, on the GameCube.

FSA-Four Swords Adventures-Released in 2004, also on the GameCube.

TMC-The Minish Cap-Released in 2005, on the GameBoy Advance.

TP-Twilight Princess-Set to be released in Q2 of 2006 at the earliest, on the GameCube.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:39:46 PM | Message Detail

Section 3-Basic Stuff

1. There IS a timeline. You'd think this would be obvious, but apparently it's not. So for anyone who says there isn't one, go to www.gannon-banned.com, look at number 16, and read the articles in the links provided. Then tell me there's not a timeline.

2. There are multiple Links, 9 known ones to be exact. They are, in release date order, not timeline order, like this:

1.LoZ and AoL Link (Nintendo and the manual of AoL have said so.)

2.ALttP and LA Link (The LA manual says so.)

3.OoT and MM Link (It says so in MM.)

4.OoA and OoS (No explanation needed.)

5.FS

6.TWW

7.FSA

8.TMC

9.TP

That's all of them so far. Now, one common misconception is that all the Links in the FS trilogy are the same person. That is not true, because in the beginning of both FS and FSA, Zelda explains to Link who Vaati is, and also tells him the Legend of the Four Sword. You'd think if he used the Four Sword to defeat Vaati in TMC, and then again in FS, he would remember Vaati, and what the Four Sword is. Also, the Links in those three games look like they're about the same age. In both FS and FSA, the events of the previous games in the trilogy are referred to as legends. Things don't become legends overnight. If Link was the same guy in all of those three games, tales of his exploits would have to have been passed down from generation to generation in roughly a few months. As far as I know, that's not possible. The only explanation is that all three of them are different Links.

3. Like it or not, the FS trilogy and the Oracle games are part of the timeline. True, they were made by Capcom, but they were overseen by Nintendo. Also, in TSA's recent interview with Eiji Aonuma, Mr. Aonuma said that the Four Sword series is very important to the overall Zelda timeline. The only Zelda games not part of the timeline are the three Phillips CDi games: Zelda's Adventure; Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon; and Link: Faces of Evil.

4. Hylian, Hylians, Hyrulean, Hyruleans, Hyrulian, and Hyrulians. These words are confused quite a bit when it comes to this series. As of right now, Hylian, Hylians, and Hyrulean are the correct official spellings. Hyrulian and Hyrulians were used in the manual of LA, but the spellings have since been changed. Here's how it works. Hylians are the people with pointy ears who are featured in OoT, and who were said to be able to communicate telepathically in ALttP. The "Hylian Shield" in OoT was a product made by them, so it is Hylian. It's kind of like how a product made in China would technically be called Chinese. Now, as for Hyrulean, you may have seen it used to describe Link's adventure in FSA. The easiest way for me to define Hyrulean, would be "of Hyrule." All the races, Zoras, Gerudo, Gorons, and Hylians are Hyrulean, because they live in Hyrule. They are of Hyrule. It's similar to one's personal heritage, I believe. I personally am an American citizen, so I'm American, but my heritage is mostly Italian, so I'm Italian as well. Link's adventure in FSA takes place in Hyrule, so it is also described as Hyrulean. Hyrulians means the same as Hylians, I believe, but it's not correct. The same goes for Hyrulian. It would have the same meaning as Hyrulean, but it's not correct either. Also, Link is a Hylian in every game. He's not an elf, as some people still say.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:41:17 PM | Message Detail

Section 4-Number of Timelines

It used to be that nobody really knew whether there were two timelines or one. Many people had their ideas on the subject, and would have had you believe that they were right, but up until recently, no one really knew. However, in TSA's previously mentioned interview, he said that Eiji Aonuma admitted that his quote about the two endings of Ocarina of Time was meant to convey two timelines. Here's the little Q&A session:

Q: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years* after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

*Now, this isn't the best translated interview ever, but Japanese and English don't translate perfectly, so it's not a big deal. The biggest mistranslation is the 100 years thing. It should be hundreds of years after the adult ending of OoT, so just keep that in mind. And ignore Miyamoto's last line as well. The fact that he didn't sound sure of himself used to be used as pro-single timeline evidence, but TSA's interview clears that up. Besides, Aonuma's the guy more concerned with the timeline anyway.

Here's the link to the entire article/interview with the quote: http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?p=233&style=tww

And here's the link to TSA's article: http://www.zhq2.com/eiji_exclusive_part1.shtml

Section 5-How the Double Timeline Theory Works

This section, as you may have guessed, is about how the double timeline theory works. I've noticed from reading countless threads that many people who supported the single timeline theory had no clue how the double timeline theory works, so they went with the easier one to understand. Even many double timeline believers seem to not know too much about how it works. Before I begin, I must give some credit to andor3, as he is the one who explained most of this to me, when I was one of the people who believed the single timeline theory simply because I really didn't understand the double timeline one. Now that the double timeline theory has been confirmed, I think it's a good idea to explain it to all the people who believed the single timeline theory, or even those who believe the double timeline theory, but don't know the finer points of it.

So, after that lengthy introduction, I'll begin. First of all, it's not the "Adult OoT timeline" and the "Child OoT Timeline." It's the "Old Timeline" and the "New Timeline." Here's why. First there was one timeline. And it went TMC-FS-OoT. And yes, TMC and FS are the first two in the timeline. Read this if you don't believe me. http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Sto...1915.59084.htm

Anyway. At the end of OoT when Zelda sent Link back in time, it created a copy of the events that happened previously, namely TMC and FS. Those events didn't just get erased from history, they still happened. Now, this becomes the "New" timeline, and it actually doesn't include OoT at all if you think about it. Zelda sent Link back in time to a point where he had done none of the events included in OoT, because he didn't have to. Ganon is absent from the New Timeline because he is sealed in the Sacred Realm, which is possibly unaffected by time. Now, Link still has his memories from OoT in the Old timeline, so he sets off what would be 3 months after pulling the Master Sword in the Old Timeline, to search for Navi.

That's the part that I think is most difficult to understand/explain; that OoT is not a part of the New Timeline. Let's pretend for a moment that in the Old Timeline, Young Link pulled the Master Sword from the Pedestal of Time on May 7th, 1246. Now, in the New Timeline, Link leaves for Termina on August 7th, 1246. That's what's meant by MM taking place three months after OoT. Because if you think about it, in the New Timeline, there is no need for Link to gather Spiritual Stones or pull out the sword, because there is no Ganon threatening Hyrule. Link simply wishes to look for Navi, so he leaves. So, that makes the New Timeline look like this.

The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-The Hero of Time's life until 3 months after he pulled the Master Sword in the Old Timeline-MM.

So yes, it is easier to just say Child OoT, but here I'm just explaining that the events of OoT never took place in the New Timeline.

Now, back in the Old Timeline, there is no Link. He's vanished because he was sent back in time by Zelda. So the Old Timeline continues Linkless and Ganonless until a few decades later, sometime before Twilight Princess, when a new Link is born, and Ganon breaks out of the Sacred Realm. We don't yet know the events of TP, but we do know that Ganon appears in TP and TWW, so if he is sealed away or killed in TP, he breaks out or is revived yet again. Now, the Old Timeline includes all the games after the ending of OoT, minus MM. So the Old Timeline looks like this.

The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-OoT-TP-TWW-all the rest of the games.

So, a quick recap

Old Timeline-The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-OoT-TP-TWW-all the rest of the games.

Zelda sending Link back at the end of OoT in the Old Timeline creates the New Timeline and makes a copy of all the events from the beginning of time, to the date that Link, in the Old Timeline, pulled the Master Sword out of the Pedestal of Time.

New Timeline-The beginning of time and all events preceding TMC-TMC-FS-The Hero of Time's life until 3 months after he pulled the Master Sword in the Old Timeline-MM.

Now, at the end of OoT, I've been told that you see young Link standing in the Temple of Time, presumably after Zelda sent him back. If this is the case, then Child OoT can be a part of the New Timeline, so ignore what I said about that earlier. This means that Link already would have collected all the Spiritual Stones and pulled the MS. If that's what you believe, then include Child OoT as part of the New Timeline. Then as for MM, Link would just leave three months after he got back to his own time, which is most likely right before he pulled out the MS. It all depends on where (well when, but whatever) you believe Zelda sent Link back to. If you believe it was before he did any Spiritual Stone collecting, go with the earlier explanation. If you believe it was just a little while before he pulled the Master Sword, go with the one in this paragraph.

Final Note, the Old and New timelines can also be called the Adult OoT timeline, and Child OoT timeline, if it's easier to remember, even though those terms may be less correct. I've also heard them called the Imprisoning War timeline and the MM timeline. So, pick the names you like best.

Alright, I'd like to apologize because re-reading this section, I realized some of this is probably difficult to understand, but I'd be happy to answer any questions anybody has.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:42:40 PM | Message Detail

Section 6-Game Order

Before I begin this section, I just want to say one thing. Right now, 10 of the 13 games have nearly definite places. The three that don't are FSA, OoA, and OoS. Darken Poltergeist has a very interesting alternate theory regarding the placement of the games with nearly definite places, so be sure to read his section, which is included later in the FAQ.

1. TMC and FS are the first two games in the series. It used to be OoT, but now it's not. Again, read this article if you don't believe me.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Sto...1915.59084.htm

Now keep in mind that this article was made when FSA was the latest in the series, so TMC hadn't been created yet. And any information regarding TP, or TWW 2, as it's called in this article, can be ignored. The important part is question number 6 and Eiji Aonuma's answer. He says FS is first, but most people who have played TMC should be able to figure out that it comes before FS as TMC explains the history and origin of Vaati, FS's main villain.

2. OoT was first in the series prior to that article, so we'll put it at third in the series. The biggest debate about OoT is whether or not it's the "Imprisoning War" described in ALttP. Check section 11 for more information on the Imprisoning War.

3. Now, MM is 3 months after the Child Ending of OoT, but that takes some complicated explanations, and I'm not going to repeat them. MM ends this timeline, but the other one continues. Also, Nintendo confirmed that Link was searching for Navi. He wasn't searching for Saria or the Skull Kid, as some people had suspected.

4. Next we have TP, which relatively little is known about. However, Eiji Aonuma has stated many times that it's between OoT and TWW, and more specifically a couple of decades after OoT.

5. TWW comes next, and takes place hundreds of years after the Adult Ending of OoT, as was stated by Aonuma. Some people thought he said one hundred years after the Adult Ending of OoT, but that was a mistranslation. One big debate in TWW has been over a little Easter Egg left by Tingle in one of the dungeons. "The Legend of the Fairy," which I'll admit I've never read since I only got a GBA recently, talks about events in MM. This lead many people to believe that TWW and MM were in the same timeline, but that's not correct. The Legend of the Fairy is just an Easter Egg.

6. Next, we have ALttP. At the time of its release, ALttP was said to be a prequel to LoZ and AoL, featuring the ancestors of LoZ and AoL's Link and Zelda. ALttP raises many interesting issues, such as the whole Imprisoning War thing, but Impossible II is the resident ALttP expert, so refer any questions on the subject to him. One thing to keep in mind about this game however, is that the original SNES version was translated very poorly. Some passages, such as the one about Ganon being "completely destroyed" are mistranslated. This particular quote led some people to believe that ALttP was last in the timeline. However, that's not the case, so when looking for ALttP quotes, look at the GBA version, or better yet, the original Japanese translation, which I believe can be found on zeldalegends.net.

7. LA comes next, and features the same Link as ALttP. It says so in the LA manual and in another very possibly canon Zelda game, that very few know about. It's called The Ancient Stone Tablets, and it's on the Satellaview system. I'll admit I hadn't heard of either the game or the system until Darken Poltergeist told me about them today, November 2nd. Without going into great detail on the story, I'll tell you that it takes place very soon after ALttP, and you play as some random boy in the land of Hyrule who is on a quest to find eight ancient stone tablets. The key factor is that he can't use the power of the Triforce of Courage, because it already has a holder in Link, and he's away on a quest, which is indirectly said to be LA in the game. Now, Darken Poltergeist knows much more about this game than I do, so ask him if you want to find out more about it.

Now, another common misconception is that this particular part of the series goes ALttP-Oracles-LA, because of the fact that Link ends the Oracle games on a boat, and starts out on a boat in LA. However, that is wrong. Here's why:

1. ALttP Link knows Zelda at the end of his game, whereas Oracle Link doesn't know Zelda at the beginning of his game. Therefore, they cannot be the same.

2. ALttP Link set out on a journey because he wanted to, of his own free will. And it says so in the manual to LA. Oracle Link had no idea he was being sent on a quest when he went into the castle and saw the Triforce.

3. Impa doesn't know Link in the Oracles. If she was Zelda's personal nursemaid, you would think she would know the hero who saved Zelda and Hyrule in ALttP, if those Links were the same.

4. Impa notices a Triforce mark on Oracle Link's hand. ALttP Link doesn't have one.

5. Impa says Oracle Link is fated to become a hero. ALttP Link is already a proven hero by the time the Oracles occur.

6. Zelda did not send Impa to find Link in the Oracles, she sent Impa to escort either Nayru or Din back to Hyrule. Obviously, that plan did not work, so Impa turned to Oracle Link for help, as he had the triangle on the back of his hand.

7. I know that LA Link starts out his quest on a boat, and that Oracle Link ends his quest on a boat, but the boats do not look like they are the same. LA's boat is longer and the sails are placed more towards the front of the boat. I think if the creators intended LA and Oracle Link to be the same, they would have made sure that Oracle Link's boat looked exactly like LA Link's boat.

8. Next in the series comes LoZ. Ganon actually dies at the end of this one, although he may or may not have died at the end of ALttP.

9. Finally, we have AoL. AoL's manual talks a lot about Ganon's minions trying to sacrifice Link to revive Ganon. It also explains why the series is called the Legend of Zelda, instead of The Legend of Link, as many people have wondered about. When the events described in the manual took place is up for debate, but they are explained nonetheless. There's an AoL FAQ/Walkthrough that takes the AoL opening story straight from the manual. This is the link to it so check it out if you want: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/file/zelda_ii_e.txt

(It's a good walkthrough as well.)

Now, AoL would seem to be last because of the closure it provides. Ganon is dead and gone, and the Triforce is finally fully assembled.

10. So, to summarize, the order of the games whose placement has been all but confirmed looks like this.

TMC-FS-OoT-TP-TWW-ALttP-LA-LoZ-AoL
TMC-FS-MM

Now, the second timeline's order will make more sense if you read my explanation of the double timeline theory, but it could also be TMC-FS-Child OoT-MM, depending on the point in time Zelda sent Link back to. If it's after when he pulled the Master Sword, then it's the second one I mentioned. If it's the before that, then it's the first one I mentioned.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:43:56 PM | Message Detail

Section 7-Unconfirmed But Possibly Accurate Speculation

1. How the games get from one to the other almost completely involves speculation, as not much is explained as to what went on in the world of Zelda between TP and TWW, or TWW and ALttP, or LA and LoZ, and so on. In my timeline theory, located in a later part of the FAQ, you can see my take on how the games connect, and see my ideas for the placement of FSA and the Oracles if you want to.

2. And that moves us nicely on to the placement of FSA. There is one main place to put FSA, and that's between TWW and ALttP. Once again, the explanation involves much speculation, and can be a bit confusing, and contains talk of two Hyrules, so check out my timeline topic if you want to know the reasoning. The non-difficult part to explain is that Ganon gets his Trident in FSA, and then goes on to use it in ALttP. However, stayed tuned for Darken Poltergeist's views on FSA's placement.

3. Next is the placement of the Oracles. I should point out that they feature a different Link than any other game, and that they can only really go in three main places. One is Directly before ALttP, another is directly after LA, and the last one is directly after AoL. Ask OmegaDevastator and Hardcore_Gamer7 for the before ALttP placement, me for the after LA placement, and me or Impossible II for the after AoL placement. I personally am leaning 65% toward the after AoL placement, 25% toward the before ALttP placement, and 10% toward the after LA placement, but that's just me. Ask those guys to explain the finer details of their theories, and then decide for yourself.

Here's what Omega Devastator has to say about the Pre-ALttP Oracles placement:

First of all, the Oracles can go in various places. They really don't have a lot of bearing on the timeline. But wherever you put them, you have to assume a lot of things happen in the timeline before and after the games.
A couple of other points first to tie it all in:

1. Whether the Imprisoning War is still considered OoT or not, Ganon has to somehow get sealed in the Sacred Realm again. The full Triforce must also be there. As FSA is most likely after TWW, Ganon is reborn then. Now between this and ALttP, Ganon gets unsealed from the sword and resealed in the Sacred Realm. Now, whether you think OoT is the Imprisoning War or not will probably make or break this theory for you.

2. In the Imprisoning War, Hylian Knights fought Ganon and did their thing. I will say this happened in OoT as well just for arguments sake. Now in LoZ and AoL, there is no clarity as to whether there are Hylians in Hyrule, or just humans. Hylians were first introduced in the series in ALttP, and It seems to suggest that there are none of them in LoZ or AoL. This is because it seems they have all died out. Now in ALttP, in the English Translation the old woman says that they have all gone now leaving magical items and those Hylian stones that you can read with the Book of Mudora. In the Japanese version, there is no real clarity as to whether they have died out completely, or that only their descendants and a very small fraction are still around. I'm sorry I don't have direct quotes but anyone can add them in if they wish. However, the whole thing seems to suggest that they are pretty much gone. If not during ALttP, then soon after. Hence why the book of Mudora exists so you can translate the language. Now in OoS, if you play it as the second in a linked game, a member of Din's dance troupe will say, "We're not really dancers, we're Hylian Knights!" Hylians still exist in these games and I'm gonna say this now before I get some prat spurting crap about "how Capcom ruined Zelda." I really doubt that Nintendo would have allowed Capcom to make a Zelda game without knowing the series' mythology and key elements so that they wouldn't make up random crap. So if the Imprisoning War featured Hylian Knights (for now I'm going to say the war, or another war happened after my placement of OoA/S) and the game that followed this mentioned Hylians becoming "extinct" if you will, then since OoA/S features these people, it should go before.

3. The Master Sword in OoA/S. Now even I think it's merely a cameo, but it still exists in these games. Whether you put it down to a cameo or not changes the placement. I'm going to use it as a "point" just to help my part of the timeline to flow better. Nothing more, nothing less.

And here's what Impossible II has to say on the Post-AoL Oracles placement:

There are a couple of different things to note when explaining that the Oracles must come after LoZ and AoL, so I'll do one at a time.

The first thing is Ganon. At the start of the Oracles, Ganon is dead. At the end of the Oracles, Ganon is dead. He only really "dies"/is defeated without being sealed three times during the series besides at the end of a linked Oracle playthrough. The only time we are 100% certain that he is dead is in the original LoZ, because AoL says that Ganon is dead as can be, but it also clearly says that he can be revived. Ganon's being dead can't be from TWW, because the Oracles were made earlier and the story wasn't really planned in reverse. Ganon had to be dead from something else - besides that, if the Oracles were before ALttP, then Ganon would have to somehow die after FSA, and then he'd have to come back to life and be sealed in the Sacred Realm/Dark World before ALttP. It also seems more likely that the Oracles are after AoL than after LA because we don't actually know what happened to Ganon in ALttP. He can't have been completely dead, because he lives in LoZ and there is nothing to suggest that he came back to life (without dying again immediately) in that time.
Also, in the Oracles, Ganon is revived as a soulless shell, while in every other game he's sentient. He dies after that, so the Oracles can't be stated to have any major bearing on the timeline (not enough that they need to be placed somewhere else).

Then we have the Triforce, which is in Hyrule and most likely Hyrule Castle in the Oracles. The only time in the series when the entire Triforce is in the possession of the Royal Family is after AoL. It is united in ALttP, but there is nothing to suggest that Link kept it or brought it with him, and the opposite seems more likely. It is united in TWW, but it most likely returned to the Sacred Realm after that - certainly nobody had it between TWW and the next game, and nobody was able to take it, so it returned to where it came from (perhaps in time for ALttP?).

And here's what I have to say about the Post-LA Oracles placement:

Frankly, this is the least likely of the three. It only goes there because it's possible, not because there's any great evidence supporting it. It works because the Triforce was united at the end of ALttP, and Ganon also died in that game, he wasn't just sealed away, so the two conditions are satisfied. However, there's no other evidence to back it up, so I'd go with the other two theories if I were you, as they're better supported, but this placement is still a possibility, so keep an open mind.

So there. Those are the facts, those are the opinions, and that's the evidence. Decide for yourself which theory you believe.

Now, here's why they can only go in those places. Each of those placements follows a game where the Triforce has been united by the end of it, and that's a necessity, as the Triforce is whole in the beginning (and through the whole thing) of the Oracle games. Next, Ganon is revived in a linked Oracles playthrough, so they have to go after a game where the Triforce is whole, and Ganon is dead. That means they can't go before TWW, and have to be in one of the three places previously mentioned.

There are two other important things to mention about the Oracles. One is that some people think they can't be at the end because of the cryptic quote at the end of ALttP, "And the Master Sword Sleeps Again... FOREVER!" It's up for debate whether Nintendo was just trying to be dramatic, or if they intended for the MS never to be used in a game that follows ALttP in the timeline. This is the problem. The MS is unlockable in a linked Oracles playthrough. However, I personally believe it's just an Easter Egg, because it really isn't explained at all how Patch, or King Zora, or some random guy underneath the clock shop would come to acquire the Legendary Blade of Evil's Bane. Also, in a linked playthrough, finding the MS isn't necessary to complete the game. In every other game featuring that sword (ALttP, OoT, TWW) it was necessary to find the MS to advance the plot. That's not the case in the Oracles.

The second thing is the appearance of the three Oracles in the town square in TMC. Now, I'd personally go with treating that as just a cameo, which Capcom happen to love, by the way. Also, since it just says they're descendants of some Oracles from Holodrum and Labrynna, it's perfectly possible that the three Oracle ladies from OoA and OoS are descendants of the three that you see in TMC. But, in the end, I believe it's just Capcom demonstrating their love for putting characters from Capcom games into other Capcom games.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:45:14 PM | Message Detail

Section 8-My Timeline Theory

Without further ado, here's my timeline theory. After its third edition it finally reached 500, so I see no need to make another topic completely dedicated to it, so I'm including it here.

Into to TMC-TMC-FS-Child OoT-MM
Intro to TMC-TMC-FS-OoT-TP-TWW-FSA-ALttP-LA--LoZ-AoL-Oracles

Okay. Now, I'll explain my timeline. The intro to TMC shows a Link with no hat who was given the Lightforce and a sword by the Picori. I think that may be the first Link and the first Hyrule. TMC features the second Link, but still the first Hyrule. FS gives us the third Link, but still the same Hyrule. Now, something happens to that land, which forces the people to leave, and they find the Hyrule of OoT. They settle there, and after many years, OoT happens with the fourth Link in the second Hyrule. MM occurs, still fourth Link. OoT causes the split, so TP happens in one timeline, and MM happens in the other. Now, the split causes the events before OoT to become copied into the new timeline, so that's why TMC and FS appear twice. Also, TP Hyrule is the same as OoT Hyrule, and TP Link is the fifth one in this timeline. Then TWW happens. It shows us the sixth Link, but still the second Hyrule, only it's flooded. Okay, nothing too radical here. Now, I start to speculate wildly. The "new land" Link and Tetra search for happens to be the old Hyrule that TMC Link (and FS and the Intro to TMC Links) lived in. Now, because of whatever crisis caused the people to leave, the seal on the Four Sword has weakened considerably, so Vaati is free to break out whenever he wants. So, he bides his time until there are enough pretty maidens to suit him, then breaks free. Also, the landscape has changed drastically. Because of these things, FSA can happen, featuring the seventh Link.

Hundreds or maybe thousands of years pass, and TWW's Hyrule eventually gets unflooded. This is possible because the King of Hyrule wished for the land to be washed away, not for the land to stay flooded forever. Now, I don't think he meant for the goddesses to create a big gaping hole where the land used to be, because then the water would disappear into the hole. I think he meant for the goddesses to wash away the castle and the towns and such. The mountains, hills, and all that other good stuff would still remain. So, eventually, the flood waters would recede, and the evidence of any people or creatures having lived there in the past would be gone.

Then, more decades or centuries later, the people of FSA's Hyrule stumble into that old land and explore it for a while, and decide to settle there. Years, pass then ALttP happens, with Link number 8. LA then happens, also with Link 8. Now, again, this is all speculation, but I think that since the flood happened, a drought must happen sometime to balance it out. That tends to happen in nature sometimes. This awful drought turns ALttP's lush Hyrule into LoZ's barren, sparsely populated one. So, Link 9 kills Ganon in LoZ, and then finally reassembles the Triforce in AoL. The reason AoL's map is so different is because it is a different part of Hyrule, north of Death Mountain. That's why DM is at the bottom of the map. Many years later, a new Link, number 10, is drawn to the castle where the Triforce sends him on a mission, and so, the Oracles occur. Ganon is dead in the end, the Triforce is still resting peacefully in the castle, and everyone can live happily ever after.

Okay, there it is. There are many gaps of hundreds or thousands of years between games, but there would be no way to know exactly how long each gap is, so I just didn't bother going into great detail on that. And I know it's a bit confusing in some parts, but oh well.

The one minor inconsistency in the timeline that I couldn't get around no matter how hard I tried was having TMC and FS take place in the same land. FS's map is not a complete map and looks nothing like any other Zelda map, but it does feature the Four Sword and the Four Sword Shrine, so I guess it takes place in a part of TMC's Hyrule not on the map. Perhaps the FS shrine is deep inside the Minish Woods. I don't know. Also, the intro to TMC talks about a time long past, so that would place it before TMC.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:47:17 PM | Message Detail

Section 9-Darken Poltergeist's Theory

Original Timeline: TMC - FS - OoT, which splits into
Child Timeline: MM - FSA - ALttP - LA - LoZ - AoL - OoA/OoS
Adult Timeline: OoT - TP - TWW

As one can see, I didn't include OoT in the Child Timeline, as Link was sent back in time before the events of OoT really unraveled (read: before pulling out the Master Sword), thus making it as if OoT never happened in that timeline. In the future timeline, the events remained in place, and thus things take off from there.

Also, in order for this timeline to really make sense, I made the assumption (with evidence that I'll provide later) that there are indeed two Ganons, one in each timeline. The first, as we all know, was sealed in the Sacred Realm in the future, only to get out before TWW, and again during the events of that game. The second one remained alive and unsealed in the past, but with the path to the Sacred Realm closed by the Master Sword, there was no way for him to get in, rendering him relatively harmless. It's not until a couple of decades later, during FSA (again, more evidence later), that he finds the Magic Trident, and gains power through that instead of the Triforce. There's a conundrum here regarding the Imprisoning War, and how OoT was intended to be that event, but I believe that FSA, along with the Royal Family's knowledge of Link's exploits in the future, make up for it.

One more thing. Before anyone tries taking quotes from ALttP or its manual (whether it is to disprove my points or reinforce them), know that the original American release was mistranslated, text and quotes were purposely changed, and NoA even made stuff up in the manual. In other words, the original American release is crap, story-wise. If you're going to quote ALttP, at least make sure it's the GBA version, though the original Japanese is preferable.

Now, one main problem with his theory is the whole Dark World thing. It's been debated whether the Dark Worlds of ALttP and FSA are the same, and here's what Darken Poltergeist had to say about it.

Ah, yes. The Dark World inconsistency. This one is also a doozy, but one that I've given lots and lots of thought following the post that first brought it up. My conclusion may surprise some of you, so I ask for you to keep an open mind.

Alright, let's begin first by examining the nature of the Dark World in both FSA and ALttP. As we all know, the Dark World in ALttP is merely a perverse, twisted version of the Sacred Realm, made to closely mirror Hyrule through Ganon's wish to the Triforce. I put emphasis on that last part, because you have to remember that, according to my theory, Ganon should not have been able to get the Triforce after the Child Ending of OoT. As I stated earlier, Ganondorf became Ganon through the Magic Trident, and didn't get the Triforce until after FSA. Thus, the Sacred Realm had not become the Dark World at that time yet.

So, why is there a Dark World in FSA, then? Simple. They're not the same Dark World. In FSA, the Dark World is a result of the Dark Mirror's magic, which, according to in-game text, had been used in the past to imprison an evil tribe. Well, Ganondorf got ahold of the Mirror, and used it not only to create Shadow Link, but also to unleash the Dark World in the Mirror, where the creatures of evil were sealed, and allowed them to escape into the real world. FSA's Dark World, then, is only a twisted reflection of Hyrule made by the Magic Mirror, but it's by no means the Sacred Realm. IMO, it is only called the Dark World so people with knowledge of the series may recognize the premise of a mirror world; nothing but a bit of nostalgia, if you will. Notice that in ALttP, however, the Magic Mirror is used to travel between the Light World and the Dark World. This isn't explained directly, but it may be that, as a Mirror with once extraordinary powers, it is able to resonate with the Dark World of ALttP because of its evil powers.

However, that last part is somewhat speculative. It may be that the creators intended for the Dark World to be the same, though why they didn't explain it is beyond me. Had they fully fleshed out the existence of the Dark World, I would not have written this wall of text. I mean, in the game, it's as if the Dark World is no big deal: "Oh, you have the Four Sword! Now you can repel evil. Oh, and you also get to see the Dark World." I'm beginning to think that the existence of the Dark World was mainly for gameplay purposes, in order to show off the capabilities of the GBA-GCN connectivity. I doubt it's supposed to have a strong impact on the placement of this game in the story or the timeline. Still, from what I understand from the game, the Dark World is simply a twisted interpretation of Hyrule, while the one in ALttP is an entirely new world altogether.

People have said that my timeline is radically different from other peoples', especially TE9. However, I don't consider that to be the case at all. Yes, I switched the games that go after OoT around. However, that's pretty much the only change. All the games are still in the same order. The only difference is that instead of most of the games taking place after TWW, they take place after MM instead. I did this for many reasons, ones which I thought about for a long time. You see, I always supported the double timeline theory, but the way people had most games go after TWW (starting with ALttP, no less) didn't sit too well with me. Thus, I took a close look at several factors to see if there was an alternative.

An often overlooked factor, yet a very important one, is geography. ALttP has VERY similar geography to both FSA and OoT. If you stretch it, you can even argue that LoZ has similarities as well. However, in order for this to be true, they would have to take place in the same Hyrule. TWW ruined all chances of this happening in the Adult Timeline. At the end, Hyrule is washed away, its locations forgotten, and its legend disappeared. I refuse to believe that somehow, Link and Zelda manage to find a new land to be called Hyrule, with uncannily similar geography to the Hyrule of old, and with the same locations, to boot (Lake Hylia, Kakariko Village, etc.). Thus, any Zelda games that take place after TWW will NOT be in the same land. Thus, FSA, ALttP, and even LoZ cannot take place in this timeline. As far as the Adult Timeline goes, Hyrule is done. Its legend is no more. So, where does that place the games after OoT, then? Why, in the Child Timeline, of course, where Ganon was not sealed away, and thus no need for a deluge. Hyrule stays intact for the remainder of that timeline.

TE9's note: If you read my timeline theory, you'll notice that I don't refuse to accept the part DP does, as I believe they actually eventually find the same Hyrule of old. But this is his theory, so I'll let you read the rest. Also, there's more on the whole geography issue later.

Another factor was Ganon's appearance in FSA. I already explained why there are two Ganons in my last post. Now I will provide the evidence. In FSA, Ganon starts out as Ganondorf, King of the Gerudo, a mere mortal without inhuman powers, unlike his future self. If Ganondorf is still a mortal, running around Hyrule and just generally not being sealed away, that means FSA goes directly after OoT in the Child Timeline. Of course, since this is a new Link, that means that the game must take place at least a couple of decades after OoT, just enough for a new Link to appear, but also enough for Ganondorf to still be alive. Disgruntled that he cannot access the Sacred Realm, Ganondorf searches for other means to gain power, but his ambition ends up getting him exiled from the Gerudo tribe. By the way, read that sentence again. Yes, notice the Gerudo part? That's right, you won't find any of those in TWW, not counting Ganondorf. Yet they're alive and kicking in FSA, only to disappear by ALttP. In any case, just about everyone knows of Ganondorf, but only as a man of the desert, not as a serious threat. That is, until he draws the Trident. The one thing that may break down this entire theory is Zelda's comment on Ganon being an "ancient demon reborn". Even though I don't know for sure, I'm not so sure that we're supposed to take this comment literally. If we could get a translation of that line from the Japanese version, that might clear up a few things.

Now, as Impossible II has said, we don't know if this, "In FSA, Ganon starts out as Ganondorf, King of the Gerudo, a mere mortal without inhuman powers, unlike his future self," is completely true. So, here's DP with a small clarification.

I worded that a bit incorrectly. I didn't mean to say during the events of FSA, I meant before. By the time the game begins, Ganon had already stolen the Dark Mirror and the Magic Trident, had created the Dark World, and had killed the Knights of Hyrule. However, while Zelda and the maidens where oblivious to these events, they knew of Ganondorf as nothing but a desert nomad. In fact, when you first hear about Ganon, one of the maidens remarks that the only person she can think of is Ganondorf, but that it made no sense for the Deku Scrubs to be worshiping a nomad, and that there was probably no connection.

So there you have it, Darken Poltergeist's slightly unorthodox yet completely possible theory. I'm starting to like it better than my own, in fact, but nevermind. Decide for yourself whose theory you believe. His, mine, yours, or any of the others.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:51:59 PM | Message Detail

Section 10-Geography

The Geography of the many lands that feature in the Zelda universe is an extremely important factor in trying to figure out the timeline. Now, there are a few games that don't take place in Hyrule, so their maps have little to no bearing on this subject. Those games are LA, MM, OoA, OoS and TWW. TWW's geography doesn't affect the timeline much because Hyrule is flooded and we only ever see a map of the islands, not the Hyrule of OoT or ALttP itself. Now, there are two generally well accepted/and or confirmed "sets" of games. Those two sets are TMC-FS-OoT and FSA-ALttP-LoZ-AoL. Now, stuff like LA coming after ALttP isn't included in those sets simply for the ease of explaining the geography. That doesn't mean it's not confirmed, though. Anyway, here are links to all those maps, except for FS's, which I'll explain in a second.

LoZ
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/f..._overworld.png
AoL
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/file/zelda_ii.png
ALttP
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/...ight_world.gif
OoT
http://www.zeldax.net/oot/ootmap.jpeg
FSA
http://www.zhq2.com/coppermine/cpg13...ms/fsa/map.jpg
TMC
http://151.11.129.208/public/niko/minish_cap_map.jpg

FS's map isn't included because it really doesn't fit in with any others. We know it comes in between TMC and OoT, so it's safe to say that it takes place in the same Hyrule as TMC, because I don't think it would be possible for the Four Sword Shrine to just jump from land to land. So, my explanation is going to be that FS's map just shows some major landmarks in the land of Hyrule, because as you'll have noticed in LoZ and AoL's maps, the land of Hyrule is extremely vast. Now, on to the more interesting stuff.

It's been highly suspected that OoT and ALttP take place in the same Hyrule. There is strong evidence to support that. Here are some interesting pictures, courtesy of Impossible II.

ALttP's map turned clockwise (looks somewhat like OoT's map):
http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/ar...map-tilted.jpg
OoT's map turned anticlockwise: (looks somewhat like ALttP's map)
http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/ar...map-tilted.jpg

Compare the first map to the OoT map given earlier, and the second map to the ALttP map given earlier. They look quite similar. However, there are a few inconsistencies, so here's more from Impossible II.

In some games (OoT, FSA), the map of Hyrule is made to distinctly resemble that of in another game (well, ALttP). Rotate ALttP’s map slightly (around 45 degrees) clockwise and it bears a striking resemblance to OoT’s map. FSA’s is based on ALttP’s. There are minor differences with both, but I don’t think they can become major arguments. There is the Lake Hylia/Eastern Hyrule issue in FSA, which I will get to later, and of course the positioning of Lake Hylia in OoT which is a little off from ALttP. For the most part I think these are for gameplay reasons – for example, Nintendo wanted Gerudo Valley to lead right into Lake Hylia.
There are also the huge differences in map design and layout between the games, which create some inconsistencies. In ALttP, the map actually represents the entire overworld and you’re always in a specific place on it. In OoT, maps are a bit more general – Death Mountain is an actual mountain, and quite tall, while in ALttP it all had to be on a 2D map and so it took up a lot more space. This also, of course, creates issues with the positioning of Kakariko, which is generally at least ROUGHLY at the foot of Death Mountain, or somewhere near it. It moves from the west to east of the map in OoT because of the way Death Mountain is structured, and again for gameplay reasons. You can also argue that at some point the town was simply destroyed and rebuilt further to the west. This is probably a fair assumption, so we’ll leave it there and get started.

From ALttP to OoT (release order, not chronological), the desert moves from southwest to west, Lake Hylia moves from southeast to south/southwest, Zora’s River moves from northeast to east, Eastern Hyrule is replaced mostly with Kokiri Forest, the Lost Woods, and the nothing in the south-east of Hyrule Field, and Death Mountain is a bit more firmly in the northeast rather than taking up a considerable amount of the northern map, also shifting the position of Kakariko in the process. This is at least in part a result of a 3D and actual map/overworld, and also for gameplay purposes; having Kakariko at the foot of Death Mountain.

The biggest inconsistency is the Lost Woods. No matter which way you look at it, the Lost Woods are not in the same place on the two maps. So, again, here's more from Impossible II.

There are three potential Lost Woods theories, from three different people (me, a friend, and Zelda Legends):

Old Lost Woods was destroyed/burned down, Goddesses create a new Lost Woods where the ruins of old Hyrule Castle were to protect the Master Sword (which, according to the JP ALttP manual, the Goddesses told the Hylians to forge and would have had reason to want to keep protecting).

The magical/warping properties of the Lost Woods caused the forest to grow through a warp, which happened to lead to a different part of Hyrule (ALttP NW), and the original Lost Woods was destroyed or burnt or something.

There are two Lost Woods. In this theory, we're seeing the map in each game from a different perspective, so theoretically ALttP's Lost Woods were always there in OoT. They were just north of Hyrule Castle, but we couldn't see them or go there, presumably because of the clouds on the map blocking our view.

So, all this seems to suggest that ALttP and OoT take place in the same Hyrule. FSA's map and ALttP's map are nearly identical as well. Now, comparing LoZ and ALttP's map, you'll notice some similarities, and many people, including myself believe that LoZ and ALttP take place in the same Hyrule as well. If you'll recall my drought idea in my timeline theory, you'll remember that it's possible for ALttP and LoZ to take place in the same Hyrule. Now, that leads us nicely to AoL's map. It is also huge, and looks quite different from LoZ's map. However, you'll notice that in AoL, Death Mountain is toward the southeast of the map. In EVERY other LoZ game that featured it, Death Mountain was in the uppermost area of the map. The fact that it's at the bottom hear seems to lend support to the idea that the land of Hyrule is enormous, and that AoL just takes place in a different part of this gigantic land. This means that the northernmost part of LoZ takes place in the southernmost area of AoL. That should give you a good idea of how humongous Hyrule really is.

So, thus far we've established that TMC and FS take place in the same land, and that OoT, FSA, ALttP, LoZ, and AoL do as well. So, that got me to wondering, is it possible that TMC and FS take place in that land as well? Thanks to a find by OmegaDevastator and Valiento, I believe the answer may be yes. Pull up TMC's map and ALttP's map. Overlap their maps at Lake Hylia. You'll notice that Hyrule castle and Lake Hylia, and even the desert areas, are in the exact same spots. That strongly suggests that TMC takes place in an area of Hyrule that's slightly to the south of where OoT and ALttP and FSA take place.

So the final conclusion is that there is in fact, only one Hyrule. It can get flooded, unflooded, and many of the games take place in different parts of it, but that there may be only one Hyrule after all. Having only one Hyrule certainly makes the timeline easier to figure out, as no complicated explanations, such as my TWW to FSA explanation, are required to get the games to flow in a certain order. Now, I rather like my TWW to FSA explanation, but that's not the point. The last thing I have to say is that the single-Hyrule theory does lend more support to DP's theory, where TWW is last in the Old Timeline. This is because of something Impossible II said in his old timeline theory topic. When coming up with a theory, you should try to pick the one that involves the least amount of speculation. Now, it's possible that after TWW, Zelda and Link found a new land, and then many decades later, Hyrule's waters had receded and they stumbled across Old Hyrule, but there's nothing in-game or otherwise to suggest that. So yeah, there being one Hyrule is more likely than there being two. One final thing: whether Hyrule is just a country/continent or the whole planet is up for debate. I personally believe it's the country because of Zelda's quote in OoT about Ganondorf wanting to conquer Hyrule, nay the entire world. The fact that there are other places you can visit, like Holodrum and Labrynna, lends support to this theory.

Section 11-The Imprisoning War

As I mentioned earlier, the Imprisoning War is the cause of probably the biggest debate regarding OoT and ALttP. Is OoT the Imprisoning War that ALttP's manual mentioned?

Here's a link to the manual of ALttP: http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/te...3/z3manual.txt

Now, it is the original SNES English version, so it's poorly translated. A lot of stuff was thrown in or changed. Go here to see the changes that were made from the JPN version to the NTSC version: http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?n=z3translation

Hopefully you read the basic story in the first link, because if you didn't this section won't make much sense. You can read the comparisons later if you feel like it. Now, the biggest difference between the Imprisoning War and OoT's story is that in the IW, Ganon acquires the whole Triforce. In OoT, he just gets the Triforce of Power. However, as Impossible II has pointed out, Ganon can only acquire the Triforce and become the Great King of Evil once. So that means that the in Old Timeline, which includes all of OoT, OoT pretty much has to be the Imprisoning War. The whole Triforce/Triforce of Power thing could simply be considered a relatively minor inconsistency. However, if you believe Darken Poltergeist's timeline theory, then this isn't necessarily the case. OoT isn't the Imprisoning War, it's an Imprisoning War. OoT can be the IW in the Old Timeline, and in the New Timeline, another IW can happen, and this one can follow the story given in the manual to the letter. This IW can take place anytime between the end of MM and the beginning of ALttP. So basically, the IW is open to interpretation, and can probably go any number of places, but it an important detail, so that's why it got its own section, however small.

From: TripleEspresso9 | Posted: 11/6/2005 2:58:04 PM | Message Detail

Section 12-TIMELINE-TWAPPED

I'm reviving TIMELINE-TWAPPED. I had a topic about it earlier, but it's long gone. Here's how it works.

I have decided, like a few others, to rip off TSA's GANNON-BANNED, and create another catchy banning thing. First of all, this, like GANNON-BANNED, is to be taken lightly, and not to heart. If someone TIMELINE-TWAPS you, don't call them a stuck-up elitist jerk, just learn from your mistake and get over it. Now, if someone TIMELINE-TWAPS you without explaining why, then you can call him/her a stuck-up elitist jerk.

1. There is no timeline/storyline. And this is taken directly from the GB site, so credit to TSA.

16. There is no storyline: This one should have been here a long time ago, I just didn't have proof to back it up. If you head on over to Miyamoto Shrine, you will find a link on the left for "Interviews". Click it, and then click the 2003 Super Play interview. In that interview, Shigeru Miyamoto says that there is a large document that relates the games to each other. In addition, in a recent GameSpy interview, the new head of Zelda, Eiji Aonuma, said he cares very much for story and is going to make more sense of Zelda's story in the future. And oh yeah, at Camp Hyrule 2004, Bill Trinen, the NOA Localization guy, commented that there is indeed a Zelda Timeline, that there has been one for as long as he has known, but it was due to some previous localization "issue" that it became so skewed. However, he said Eiji Aonuma and all the Zelda teams in Japan and the US are working to make the timeline clear to fans, and are actively working to tie it all together with each new game.

2. TWW is the last game in the series; also taken from GB.com, just not worded the exact same way. Just because Hyrule is flooded doesn't mean this game is the last in the series. Recall what the King of Hyrule said about Link and Tetra being able to find a new land. It doesn't matter that he told them not to call it Hyrule, they probably did anyway. Also recall that he did not tell the gods to keep Hyrule flooded forever, so the waters could recede.
TE9's Note: Under this rule, Darken Poltergeist's theory is TIMELINE-TWAPPABLE, as he has TWW as the final game in the Old Timeline. This is acceptable however. So, only TIMELINE-TWAP someone who places TWW at the end of a timeline if they include any game besides TMC, FS, OoT, or TP in that timeline. For example, if they have TWW at the end, but include ALttP in their timeline, you may TIMELINE-TWAP them.

3. The FS trilogy and the Oracle games are not part of the timeline. I don't know why so many people think this. Yes the games were made by Capcom, but they were supervised by Nintendo to fit into their own game series. Eiji Aonuma even called FS first in the timeline prior to the release of TMC, and FSA was actually made outright by Nintendo. Furthermore, in TSA's aforementioned recent interview with Aonuma, Mr. Aonuma said that the FS series is very important to the overall timeline.

4. There is only one Link. TWW should have debunked that from the moment you popped in the game disc, but in case it didn't, consider this. Why does Link keep forgetting who Zelda is, and keep changing his appearance? Is it because he has a bad memory? No. It's because there are multiple Links. Some come in pairs, but I already showed that above. There are multiple Zeldas too, by the way. Keep in mind, if there was only one Link, all the games would have to fit in between Child OoT and Adult OoT, including TWW, which was said to take place hundreds of years after OoT. Therefore, there are many Links.

5. Oracle Link and LA Link are the same. I already explained this in section 6, so reread it if you forgot.

6. TWW did not feature Link. It was some other imposter/character. Okay. It's true that TWW did not feature the Hero of Time Link from OoT, but that is not the only Link. He keeps getting reincarnated. Ganon, on the other hand, seems to keep breaking out of his seal, or getting revived.

7. Every Link is different, and each game takes place in a different universe. Miyamoto even said so! Yes, he did say so. A long time ago. That has since been retracted. And anyone who has played OoT and MM should kno
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